Waiting for a few bits to complete engine rebuild so turned attention to building up doors with the bits provided…a couple of asks/problems as per usual.
the channel felt bought by PO from Chris neils is just to big for the aperture. After squashing it in a lip sticks out about 1mm and the window is just stupidly tight…called SJ to order the correct stuff and he has not got any for the +2. Anyone got a couple of lengths of the correct stuff or point me in the right direction please?.
For the waist/chrome assembly on top of door again bits are supplied and the way I see it is this.
The waist with the felt next to window goes between f/glass and door frame, I am also supplied with a long chrome piece with a “brush/woolly padded thing” down one side", I can’t fathom how this attatches and it does not show it on an exploded pic Mike(off here) sent me. I can post a pic if needed.
Apart from the outer chrome and clips are any other bits missing from what I’ve mentioned?
I feel like a right numpty asking all these questions but this box of bits has pushed me to the limits.
This was a difficult process that I have just completed. I hope I have assembled the bits correctly. The “fuzzy” metal reinforced trim is attached to the window frame horizontal “metal strips” using the black metal push on clips. It spans from just inside each window frame track. If i remember correctly the outside fuzzy trim goes on the bottom of the metal strip and the inside the top. The chrome trim strip clips are held to the outside of the door with sheet metal screws that go through the door, then through the waist trim rubber seal then into a hole in the window frame “metal strip”. The point of the screw will push into the back of the “fuzzy” slightly. I made a hole with an awl to make it all fit easier.
The window channel rubber is a tight fit. It is possible the rubber is not pushed into and lockedd into the frame.
I found the main drag on the window movement was the pinch points at the ends of the frame horizontal “metal strips”. They can bend and push the fuzzies tightly into thee glaass.
Good luck. It is difficult and requires much thought and patience.
Hi thanks very much for reply…I printed your response out and have just been having a look and weighing it up.
2 points, The “fuzzy strips” as we call them, are you saying you put one either side of the window? From what I’ve got here there only looks enough for one run per door, which I thought went on the inside.
I assumed the felt on the rubber waist did the job on the outside?
What are the clips like that you used to hold the strip to door frame?
The way I assembled the door was by using two fuzzy strips. One on either side of the glass. The strip that contacts the outside of the glass is attached at the botom edge of the horizontal metal window frame strip. You will see a series of holes in this metal strip. Small holes that align with the sheet metal screws that hold the trim clips and go through the door, the lip of the outside rubber waist trim, and into the strip. The other larger holes “MAY” (some clips just push on) align with one point of the fuzzies trim clips. The fuzzy that contacts the inside side of the glass is attached in the same fashion but using the top edge of the window frame horizontal metal strip. I purchased these clips from Steve at SJ. They slide over the metal strip at the edge, and the round metal part at the other side of the clip secures the round metal edge of the fuzzies by pushing it into the clip.
It is a difficult job. The outside chrome waist trim securing clips are available at SJ also. Bresco in the UK also has them. Good luck.
I may be wrong. Theere are two horizontal strips. One using the top edge on ethe bottom. I will have to get pictures. This may be difficult as my doors are assembled and the rubber hides the interior details. If you post a picture of the window frame detailing these horizontal strips I will be able to remember in detail.
Hiya Bob, Interesting one this.
I’ve just found the clips you mentioned to hold the strip to the inside of door frame on the horizontal and it looks like they’ll do the trick.
Where I’m struggling is that I don’t see how you can fit another one on the outside of window, I still think the felt on the waist does the job on the outside but I’m probably wrong.
As I said I was only supplied two of these strips (one per side) so I’ll have to try and see how others are done.
Also, rivets seem to have been supplied to hold waist,clips frame etc., surely the pressure of these will wreck the f/glass…what size screws did you use?
I’ll try and post a pic later, but your comments have so far been invaluable Bob and a great help…it’s all becoming clearer, many thanks
Waist trim attaching clip. (larger) This clip may be wrong. It appears to be too large. It may only be the picture. The clip should be a loose fit in the trim. Rolled edge of clip positioned to top. You will notice the clip is bowed. When properly secured to the door the clip will get longer as the bow is taken out. This will then fit the trim.
Fuzzie attaching clip. It appears that the metal edge of the fuzzy fits into the portion of the clip that is visible in the picture. The other side slides onto the window frame .
Door waist trim rubber. Flocked side down contacting glass.
Fuzzy weather strip. Fuzzy against glass.
Add a picture of your window frame and I will attempt to descibe placement of the fuzzy strips.
Looking at the workshop manual it appears that there is only one fuzzy. Positioned to contact the outside of the glass.
I cannot remember. My car may have originally had two but I may have assumed two were correct. I will have to take a close look when I get back to the shop. I will check the parts book and look to see if I used two in error. The windows work. maybe someone with an original door will disecct it and take pictures and post.
Mark, A chap off here (Mike) did kindly send me a diagram of the door from a manual,but these bits and how they fitted were not shown…does the parts manual show screws,clips etc?..thanks for that though.
Bob here is a pic of the frame in the car. As fot the fuzzy, if there is only one to be fitted I’d have guessed it was on the inside.
Just read a tech report on this site about fitting these to a flush handle +2 but without pics it’s still difficult to grasp…it does mention No.6 x 3/8" self tappers though for the fixing of clips and rubber etc. I’ll have to pick some up.
If yours works it has to be right Bob and 2 fuzzy’s has to be better than 1
I beleive #6 screws are too large. The screws have to “thread” into the small holes on the window frame horizontal metal strip. You will notice that they align with the holes in the fiberglass aat the top of the door.
I would try #2 or #4 pan head. Get a varieety of sizes as the distance from the top door edge and the metal strip varies. You may have to cut a longer one as the size may be “in between”. I will havee to inspect whaat I did . I have a very extenssive inventory of fasteners at the shop aandd use hat fits and do not remember whaat size I used.
Leaking side windows…The problem with the new rubber I obtained for the waist is that it is hardly wide enough! If it is inserted between the fiber glass lip on the outside of the door and the outer horizontal metal strip running between the front and rear vertical window frames it only touches the outside of the glass in a few spots.
I know rust may not be a huge problem, but the fit is not satisfactory.
If it is placed on the inside of the horizontal strip, it reaches the glass but it is not wide enough to reach over the chrome strip!! I hace looked at some original +twos and they seem to all suffer.
Has anyone found a section which is a better fit - and more watertight as a result?..Bill
I should have added whether anyone can give the dimensions of the “T” section of rubber shown in the post of Sun May 27th at 9.13pm.
The one to which I have referred as being too narrow has a total width at the top of the T of about 7/8ths" while the flock covered bit is about 11/16ths".
Size is everything. If yours is bigger, where do I go??.Bill
Have you spoken to Steve Taylor at the Elan Factory on 03 9761 1903 he is a expert on these cars, he owns a 74 car himself, He has available alloy buttons to replace the steel clips that rust these can be pop riveted or pk screwed into place, he should also able to supply the right rubber as I brought some a while ago
I understand that water tightness is a priority in Tasmania as it is in NZ
it hardly rains in NZ!
At the time I had to do my doors I got so frustrated with the f… clips that I discarded it all and instead I glued both strips to the doorframe.
Very easy and quick.
Robin
Thanks, Mark. I know about Steve; I don’t think from what he said to me yesterday that he thinks much of forums!!
Anyway, he supplied me some time ago with some waist rubber which, from what Kenny has been kind enough to measure, is about the same that is generally available and probably the same as the original as I said earlier.
Problem is that it is far from water tight because it is clearly too narrow. It just cannot bridge the gap between the glass and the trim strip.
The inner furry piece seem to add little, and nothing towards keeping out the water which runs down the side windows in the rain!
A wider horizontal part of the ‘T’ would solve the problem - a problem which I first encountered when I rebuilt my plus 2 in 1986. At that stage I had had it for 12 years so I am getting the hang of it.
Steve aside, I am searching for a wider section - I found one in 1986 and it lasted fairly well but it was a proprietary one and I have to start again. I had hoped for some advances in the last 20 years!
When I find what is necessary I shall publish it!
Steve said he has the buttons in stock so I am just waiting for him to tell me how much to send the cheque for…Bill
Bill I thought this too about not bridging the gap to the window, but I think it will rest snug on window when it has been trimmed around the frame pillars at rear of door and the quarterlight…I’m hoping so anyway.