Folding rear seat squab

My +2S has the folding rear seat squab, but currently there is nothing that holds it in the upright position when you want it there. Just wondered if someone on the forum with the same arrangement could post a picture of whatever clips were originally fitted - presumably to the parcel shelf - so that I can try and fit something that is at least reasonably similar.

Many thanks in advance.

Can’t help with a good pic as my ‘S’ is long gone, but it had two tags/straps, one each side, attached to the back-rest which simply poppered on to the parcel shelf, can’t remember if they were ‘Tenax’ or just normal popper type studs, it was 30 years ago now, where did that go, seems like no time at all. I still have the original owners hand book which has a picture & about one line of instruction, but the pic isn’t very clear, if no one can provide a decent photo, I could try scanning the page for you, not sure how well it would re-produce though.
Regards, Tim

Thanks Tim - that is pretty much what I was going to do if I couldn’t find anything out. I was thinking of the lift-a-dot style connectors. Will see if anyone has a photo of the real thing, but thanks for the offer on the manual.

Every day a new revelation.
I was unaware that the rear seat folded on any +2.
Doesn’t the fuel tank and horizontal brace get in the way?

Tim’s description is pretty dead on. There are tabs on each corner with pull up fasteners as he said. The tabs are sandwiched between the seat back upholstery and the right angle metal stiffener.


I’m not sure what the proper name is for that type fastener, but it’s not the “lift the dot type”. It has an outer barrel (for lack of a better term) that lifts quite easily to release from the stud. I think lift the dot fasteners may be a bit too brutal for our not so robust package tray design.

I can get actual dimensions of the tab if you need them. I just have to unload my interior from the back of my pick-up. It’s awaiting the trip to the upholsterer.

That is the ‘Tenax’ type fastener, exactly the same as used on the DHC elan hoods, seeing the picture jogged my memory :slight_smile:

Yup. That’s the set-up on my Feb 1970 Plus 2S.

Vince: yes, yet another “plus” for the S model :slight_smile: When the seat back folds down, there is a chipboard (I think) panel behind, with carpet on it, and carpet on the back side of the seat back, so you have in essence a carpeted luggage area there. Nice. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Randy

Thanks people - the pic is just what I need. The tenax fasteners are easily available, will get that sorted. Good to see the pic, I’d have attached the tabs nearer the middle of the car I think.

Agree the fold down seat is great - but it doesn’t join up with the boot as in a modern hatch back as the petoltank etc is in the way. Still a handy place to put a bit of luggage though., just it loads through the doors.

Sometime towards the end of the Federal 1971 Plus 2 model, the fold down seat stopped and the fixed back started. I don’t know for the rest of the world production.

Yes, those are the correct tabs. For those that haven’t exercise the tab in while, drop a tiny bit of oil around the nub, keeps the wire from rusting on if you live in moist areas.

Hi

My 1971 S130 March, has the folding seat back and has Tenax fastenings

Thought you might like a few pics. I’m afraid the seats were sold years ago!

Jeremy






Yeah, nice, Jeremy. That’s how mine are as well. A big fiberglass tub, with the long straps to hold them when they’re down (?), and the “tenax” buttons, etc.

Obviously this was more work and expense than Lotus was willing to continue with, thus the later simplified system.

Only problem with this foldable system is the potential for getting compressed foam in the fold line of the seat back if left in the folded down position for too long.

Randy

They are brilliant Jeremy - thanks for putting them up. Really useful.

Martyn

Cool pictures. My car has the older style single seats with the long hard plastic console. Always wondered how the folding option worked. Man, that must be an awkward assembly to get in and out of the car though; I assume the front seats have to be removed first? I like how the folding backs cover the console; very easy to break the plastic one if you load stuff back there without sufficient care.

Stu

Spoken like a man who’s taken apart (and put back together) a Plus2, Stu!! :mrgreen:

That giant box of fiberglass and seating is indeed a royal pain to remove, and yes, at least one of the front seats has to be removed in order to remove it. Furthermore, because the reat seat system lays over top of the main/forward console section, the rear seat system has to be removed in order to remove the main/forward console! So, to take out the console, remove all seating. Ugh.

But I love it (when it’s in place)! :mrgreen:

Randy

ps. This is undoubtedly one of the reasons the Plus 2S weighs more (I believe) than the Plus 2 and the Plus 2S/130.

I have the folding rear seat on my +2 as well, and the remnants of the straps. I cannot see where they connected to, as there are no fasteners on the parcel shelf. Does someone have a picture of the parcel shelf with the fasteners installed?

Dave Chapman

Dave

I’ve just ordered these Tenax fasteners from ebay - they are available in loads of places, these were cheapest I found, though I didn’t shop around for very long.

ebay.co.uk/itm/140650581215_ … EBIDX%3AIT

Martyn

My 1970 +2S still has everything in place (looks to be original). I’ll take some pictures tonight.

Rob.

As usual, one job leads to another, so now I know how to attach my seat squab to the parcel shelf, I’ve realised that will just pull the parcel shelf out as it isn’t fixed in place.

As the parcel shelf was a bit of a mess anyway, I’m making a new one using the old one as a template, however what is fitted looks quite different to the other pictures on this forum and in the book. I’m not sure if I have a homemade version, or if the +2S one was a little different to account for the folding seat, but as I am making one from scratch, I thought I might as well get it right.

Other parcel shelves have two lengths of steel angle - one near the front mounted on the top, and a shorter one further back on the underneath (like on this thread lotus-chassis-f36/recovering-parcel-shelf-t29366.html) I think there are two holes in front of the top channel which allow you to attach the shelf to the metal brackets above the petrol tank. These would then be covered when the seat is fitted (or in a +2S, when it is folded up).

My parcel shelf (below) has two lengths of steel angle, but both are mounted under the shelf. The front one is flush to the front edge. Before I stripped it off, this was wrapped in vinyl, but there are no holes to attach it to the brackets, meaning the whole thing just slipped forward.

Any +2S owners able to throw some light on how it should be? And if I need the top channel, could someone post the dimensions?

Many thanks again.

My +2S shelf is identical to yours with both steel angle pieces on the bottom and nothing but vinyl on top. Unfortunately mine has been out so long that I can’t be much help on how it’s fastened in place. I apparently didn’t take a photo during demolition, er disassembly. Hopefully someone will post a photo that can help us both in that regard.